I lifted this off Mama Archer's very excellent blog. You may need to read it twice--or thrice--to really wrap your mind around it.

John Owen (1616 - 1683) was an English theologian and "was without doubt not only the greatest theologian of the English Puritan movement but also one of the greatest European Reformed theologians of his day, and quite possibly possessed the finest theological mind that England ever produced" ("Owen, John", in Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals, p. 494)Dr. John Owen (Vice Chancellor - Oxford)
FOR WHOM DID CHRIST DIE?
The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for either:
1) All the sins of all men;
2) All the sins of some men; or
3) Some of the sins of all men.
In which case it may be said:
1) If the last be true all men have some sins to answer for, and so none are saved;
2) That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth;
3) But if the first is the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins? You answer, Because of unbelief. I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!
FROM: T.U.L.I.P. The Canons of Dort
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thank you for the mention and highlighting this post. It really gives us something to ponder doesn't it.
Love Owen! Very challenging thinker, to be sure.
You may have opened a can here, GB. :)
Hebrews 3...
"So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
Let us not harden our hearts and miss the precious gift of Grace Who is celebrated this Sunday.
One thing I have regretted was not having catechism with the older children. Going through the Canon of Dort and such.
My daughter requested the Reformation Bible for her birthday one year. We bought it for her, and she herself read all the Canons. She also went through every scripture of the Baptist Faith & Message book. Our youngest son is having to go through them. Scripture twisting is a favorite past time for many. Let us arm our children with truth.
I did indeed have to read it "thrice", maybe 4 times to be exact to wrap my mind around it. It is a profound question requiring a thoughtful response, both of which are sorely lacking in modern Christendom, so thanks for opening up this can, as it were.
Just a thought. Jesus did say (Matthew 12:31-32 and Luke 12:10)that there was an unpardonable sin--that of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit--which is nothing but rejection of His prompting of convicting us of sin and leading us to Christ-- or saying that that which is of God is of Satan.
I think the best sermon my pastor ever delivered traced back the greatest, boldest theological thinkers several hundred years. This is along the same lines. Thanks!
I didn't follow the link...yet. I will. I studied this a while back and it brings back a lot of the questions I had. If I could only remember the answers I found. Ha ha. I like the three categories you displayed here. The rationale in point three is crystal clear. I was so confused on this until I read R.C. Sproul's book Chosen By God. He expands a bit on TULIP but it sure put things in perspective for me. Perhaps its time for me to revisit it.
This is a nice follow-up to the "goat" post. I've been thinking that someday I need to share on my blog our family's journey on the reformed topic. For those interested, Founders.org offers what I've heard is a very good catechism/memory system, and SBCHEA - Southern Baptist Church Home Education Association offers links to some online catechisms (amongst other things).
Robert mentioned a good book. I think the book of Romans is an awesome place to start, too.
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills. Romans 9:14-18 (ESV)
I just heard this very excerpt for the first time two weeks ago. How "odd"/what coincidence to find it in full here.
I know you would think otherwise GB!
Cheers, Wilm
Thank you for visiting my blog grafted branch.
I am not a theologian but i believe that God wants ALL men to be saved.
I agree, Amrita. Sadly, none want Him. He must do even the work of wanting Him in our hearts! Let alone, we are truly and hopelessly wicked.
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